#include<iostream>
#include<cstdio>
#include<cstring>
#include<string>
#include<algorithm>
#include<map>
#include<queue>
#include<stack>
#include<set>
#include<cmath>
#include<vector>
using namespace std;
#define mod 1000000007
#define inf 0x7f7f7f7f
#define N 505
int dp[N][N][55];
char s[N],p[N];
int  a[N],b[N];
int la, lb;
int main()
{
    int i, j, k, u, v;
    while(scanf("%s",s+1),s[1]!='#'){
        scanf("%s",p+1);
        for(i=1;s[i];i++)if(islower(s[i]))a[i] = s[i]-'a';else a[i] = s[i]-'A'+26;
        for(i=1;p[i];i++)if(islower(p[i]))b[i] = p[i]-'a';else b[i] = p[i]-'A'+26;
        memset(dp, inf, sizeof dp);
        la = strlen(s+1), lb = strlen(p+1);
        dp[0][0][52] = 0;
        for(i = 1; i <= la; i++)dp[0][i][52]=dp[i][0][52] = i;
        for(i = 1; i <= la; i++)
        {
            for(j = 1; j <= lb; j++)
            {
                for(k = 0; k < 52; k++)
                {
                    u = inf;
                    if(b[j]==k)
                        u = dp[i-1][j-1][k];
                    else 
                    {
                    u = min(u, dp[i-1][j][k]+1);
                    u = min(u, dp[i][j-1][k]+1);
                    u = min(u, dp[i-1][j-1][k] +1);
                    dp[i][j][b[j]] = min(dp[i][j][b[j]],dp[i-1][j-1][k]+1);
                    }
                    dp[i][j][k] = min(u, dp[i][j][k]);
                }
                u = inf;
                if(a[i]==b[j])
                    u = dp[i-1][j-1][52];
                else {
                    u = min(u, dp[i-1][j][52]+1);
                    u = min(u, dp[i][j-1][52]+1);
                    u = min(u, dp[i-1][j-1][52] +1);
                    dp[i][j][b[j]] = min(dp[i][j][b[j]], dp[i-1][j-1][52]+1);
                }
                dp[i][j][52] = min(dp[i][j][52], u);
            }
        }
        int ans = 1000000000;
        for(i = 0; i <= 52; i++)ans = min(ans, dp[la][lb][i]);
        printf("%d\n",ans);    
    }
    return 0;
}